1995 - presents... Young Thugz EP / Dramacyde (with Dramacydal)

  • Tracks recorded for a Young Thugz EP in second half of 94
  • Tracks recorded in the end of 94 - first half of 95 for a Dramacydal album
Big Malc, Young Hollywood, K-Dog & Tupac. 
Picture for Karl Kani.

DRAMACYDE - Discogs page - LISTEN

1. Intro
2. Addicted 2 Tha Streets (Remix) feat. Felony
3. Late Night (Til My Dyin' Day) (Moe-Z Remix) feat. 2Pac, Aunt Glo & Kenyatta Forman - snippet
4. Thug Mansion (Gotta Get Away) feat. Killa
5. Blinded (Don't Wanna Be Broke) feat. Funky Drummer
6. Interview with a Problem Child (Revenge Is Sweet) by Mutah feat. Paul Arnold
7. Sittin' On The Top Of The World
8. No Further (Around The Way)
9. The Other Side
10. Just Like Daddy
11. Hard 2 Imagine
12. Dramacyde 
13. Make No Mistakes feat. 2Pac & Thug Life

Bonus Tracks (Hard 2 Imagine 12'', June 1995) - Discogs page
 
14. Immortal (by Fatal N Felony)
15. Where Will I Be (96 Version) feat. 2Pac & Felony
16. Hard 2 Imagine (Remix)
17. Hard 2 Imagine (Instrumental)

Producer - Stretch probably remixed by Moe-Z (2), Moe-Z (3,5,6,13), Soulshock & Karlin (4,9,11,16,17), Mike Mosley (8,10,12), 187um(?) (14), Mopreme (7)
 

YOUNG THUGZ - Enemies With Me 12'' Discogs page

1. Late Night (Rough Mix) feat. 2Pac & Aunt Glo
2. Killin' Fieldz feat. 2Pac (speaking)
3. Don't Make Enemies With Me (Rough Mix) feat. 2Pac, Live Squad & Sh'Killa
4. Addicted To The Streets (Rough Mix)
5. Thug Mansion (Rough Mix) When I Get Free (by 2Pac & Young Hollywood)
6. Runnin' (Moe-Z Remix) feat. Stretch, The Notorious B.I.G, 2Pac & Radio
7. Bury Me A G pt. 2 feat. 2Pac & Natasha Walker
8. Last Laff Me Against The World (Bad Boys Version) feat. 2Pac & Puff Johnson
9. Where Will I Be ('94 Version) feat. 2Pac
10. Thug Life feat. 2Pac (speaking) & Killa
11. Thug Style (Speaking Version)
12. Introduced 2 Tha Game (Remix)
13. Killin' Fieldz (Instrumental)
14. Where Will I Be (Instrumental)

Producer - Live Squad (1,3,4,7,12?), Easy Mo Bee (6,12?), Bread & Water (2,5,9,11,13,14), Moe-Z (6,10), Soulshock & Karlin (8)

1994-1995. Dramacydal is Big Malcolm (Edi), Mutah (Napoleon), K-Dog (Kastro) & Young Hollywood (Kadafi). The group's name was firstly known as Thoro Headz (on "Flex", recorded in mid-92, released as a B-Side in 93, or in "Runnin'") then Young Thugz (on tracks like or "Killin' Fields", "Where Will I Be", "Thug Life" or "Enemies With Me") and changed on the "Me Against The World" tracklist.

During the time 2Pac was recording the last songs for Me Against The World / Fuck The World, his friends started to prepare their album. When 2Pac went to jail and the engineers were mixing Me Against The World, they recorded songs that sound to have a little flavor of MATW, with same singers and producers (mostly Moe-Z team but as well Mopreme).
When 2Pac signed in on Death Row, the album eventually got shelved. Some tracks are really good. Especially because 2Pac wrote a big part of their songs (what could also lead the group to not insist to release it - choosing to record their own songs)

Dramacydal & 2Pac. Picture for Karl Kani.

The album seems to have known unofficial versions under the name of Revenge iz Sweet (around 2010 - the cover picture mistakly includes Fatal). All the versions make a confusion between the two versions of "Where Will I Be" : on the tracklist, the Remix is actually the original version of the song and the other the second version re-recorded on late 95 or early 96 (maybe for "Outlaw Immortalz : Thug Life vol. 2"). "Can U Relate" is a late track recorded around One Nation time. We could have include a version of "Runnin'" instead of these later track. 



 
1. Circa Aug.-Sept. '94. This is a draft for a Young Thugz EP. Maybe "Me Against The World" is not recorded yet, but it could mean it was initially recorded for Young Thugz and it was later put in the solo album.
 
2. Circa Oct.-Nov. '94. Probably still a Young Thuz project, just before or after recording "Late Night", "Don't Make Enemies With Me", "Addicted To The Streets" with Stretch. 2Pac re-takes "Killin Fieldz", a song recorded earlier during the summer (probably for a shelved single, at the time Bread & Water produced When I Get Free/Thug Style in June or more probably in August when they remixed them). Is "Running From The Police" the Moe-Z version ?


 
 
3. 4. Circa Nov. - Dec. '94. When Young Thugz changed their name in Me Against The World tracklists. It still has the unleaked or unrecorded "Last Laff" produced by Tony Pizarro (during summer ? because he didn't produce anything after August 94).

 
 
5. 6. Circa beginning of 95 (?). In the second one, Dramacydal are now just Mutah, Bic Malc and K-Dogg. Hollywood is now in his group Fatal N Felony. "Don't Make Enemies" with Live Squad has been replaced by "Make They Jawz Tight" (which will probably turn into "Make No Mistakes", and will finally later be recorded with this title in One Nation sessions). Stretch also disappeared from "Late Night" that became produced by Moe-Z (a snippet has been recently leaked), and he is even hidden behind his real name Randy Walker...


 
 
7. 8. Circa '95. Dramacydal recorded eponymous track "Dramacyde" and "Make No Mistakes" with Thug Life and vocals from Tupac (recorded in jail ? in the phone ? taken from another old song ?), maybe just for the chorus. Stretch is this time almost completely erased, appearing as the producer of "Addicted 2 The Streetz" but under his group name Live Squad.

The shelved sequence has just a new track order. But the leaked version of "Sittin on Top of The World" we have has no Yo-Yo featuring, and maybe "Addicted 2 The Streetz is a bit different from the Stretch's version.




Nice cover but it's a late picture from Made Niggaz video
Left to right : K-Dog, Mutah, Young Hollywood, Fatal & Big Malcolm




pictures in Hawai (94)


DETAILED TRACKLIST
(Special thanks to Bomb1st members Filla and Dominator for samples credits)

01. Intro / Moe-Z (?) UNLEAKED
02. Addicted 2 Tha Streets (Remix) feat. Felony / Stretch & Duane Nettlesbey REMIXED by ?
  • 1994/10 (?) - 1995. Slightly cleant version in comparison of the single version (cf. Dramacydal, Enterprise reference). Probably one of the first song recorded in this album.
03. Late Night (Til My Dyin' Day) (Moe-Z Remix) feat. 2Pac / Stretch REMIXED by Moe-Z SNIPPET
  • 1994/11/29 - 1995 (?) (new mix and new verse). Also known as "Late Night '94". This version is said without Young Hollywood, with another Big Malc/Mutah verse, and with an alternate ending.
  • Samples : 
    • MC Shan - "The Bridge" (drumline modified)
    • Louche Lou & Michie One - "Rich Girl" (vocals interpolation)  
04. Thug Mansion (Gotta Get Away) feat. Milia / Soulshock & Karlin
  • 1994/12 (?). The song has some 2Pac words recorded from jail through the phone. This song has a topic that 2Pac will re-use for his "Thugz Mansion". There was a first leaked og vibe of "Thugz Mansion" made by Krysis that was using the same chorus and music than this track. It is sometimes written Faith Evans as the singer but the voice is similar to those on Me Against The World. So it is probably Milia or Killa, chorists for Moe-Z.
  • Samples : 
05. Blinded (Don't Wanna Be Broke) feat. Le-Morrious 'Funky Drummer' Tyler / Moe-Z
  • 1995/?. 2Pac helped Big Malc to write the hook. Maybe it is the evolution of the old "Don't Wanna Be A Drug Dealer" concept written in an early tracklist.
06. Interview with a Problem Child (Revenge Is Sweet) by Mutah feat. Paul Arnold (speaking) / Moe-Z
  • 1995/?. Written by 2Pac. Firstly known as "Revenge Is Sweet", what was the title for old bootlegs of the album.
07. Sittin' On Top Of The World / Mopreme & Duane Nettlesbey
  • 1995/?. The song was supposed to feature Yo-Yo but the leaked version has nothing like that.
  • Samples : 
    • The Commodores - "Zoom" (melody, drumline, vocals)
08. No Further (Around The Way) feat. Jasmine Guy & Kila / Mike Mosley
  • 1995/?.
09. The Other Side / Soulshock & Karlin UNLEAKED
  • 1995/?.
10. Just Like Daddy / Mike Mosley
  • 1995/?.
  • Samples : 
11. Hard 2 Imagine / Soulshock & Karlin
12. Dramacyde / Mike Mosley UNLEAKED
  • 1995/?.
13. Make No Mistakes feat. Thug Life & 2Pac / Moe-Z UNLEAKED
  • 1995/?. It is said to have some lines or even a verse by 2Pac from jail through the phone (maybe just a chorus).
14. Where Will I Be ('96 Version) feat. 2Pac & Felony / Bread & Water REMIXED By ?
  • 1994/11 - 1995/06 (?) (new Dramacydal verses). 2Pac and Young Hollywood recorded their verses in November 94 for the Young Thugz EP. This second version got new verses from the other Dramacydal members. For that reason, some people say this version would have been made after their death... But Dramacydal voices ound still young so I presume they re-recorded a new version in mid 95 (around the time of "Hard 2 Imagine" single, when Felony was not with them but recording with Fatal), thinking the song and the album would be out in beginning of '96 : "where will I be next year", so in '97. In Thug Life Volume II tracklist, there will be a Dramacydal song "On Top of The World" remixed by Moe-Z (original by Mopreme), maybe they had many other remixed songs they made before going to Death Row...
  • Samples : 
15. Hard 2 Imagine (Remix) / Soulshock & Karlin
  • 1995/?. Probably for a shelved single.
16. Hard 2 Imagine (Instrumental) / Soulshock & Karlin
BONUS TRACKS

. Immortal (by Fatal N Felony) / 187um (?) - REMIX
  • 1995/?. Outside of the 2Pac intro and outro that have been patched later, Fatal N Felony vocals seem to be prior to Death Row, but at the same time the title of the song is strangely anticipating the future name of their group in late 95.
. Fresh Like Celery (by Fatal N Felony) / ? - SON RIZE REMIX
  • 1995/?. Remixed in Son Rize Vol. 1 (2007) in two parts. This is a freestyle and not a song. Donny Rizzo who mixed the project patched the bad quality vocals over well known beats but the result is ugly and does not help to listen to the raps.
. Thug Life (Moe-Z Remix) feat. Moe-Z (?) & 2Pac / Moe-Z Remixed - SNIPPET
  • 1995 (?). Is it a real remix from 95 or a later mix from Moe-Z ?

2PAC PRESENTS... YOUNG THUGZ EP

01. Late Night (Til My Dyin' Day) feat. 2Pac & Aunt Glo / Stretch
  • 1994/11/29. Also known as "Late Night '94".
  • Samples : 
    • MC Shan - "The Bridge" (drumline modified)
    • Louche Lou & Michie One - "Rich Girl" (vocals interpolation) 
02. Killin' Fieldz feat. 2Pac (speaking) / Bread & Water
  • 1994/08-10. Thorow Headz became "Young Thugz" for their first group track where 2Pac is just speaking. 2Pac talks about Toni Braxton who began to be known in 94.
  • Samples : 
03. Don’t Make Enemies With Me feat. 2Pac, Live Squad & Sh’Killa / Live Squad
  • 1994/10-11 (~). Released in R U Still Down (1997) in a restricted mix to 2Pac & Dramacydal. The song was recorded before the N.Y. shooting and was maybe remixed for Death Row (or before 2Pac was signed, for Dramacydal album), but without Live Squad's & Sh’Killa's verses. So it became a sort of accusation against his ex-friend Stretch. Sh'Killa was a female rapper, South Central Cartel's protegĂ©. Banned from Bomb1st forum says that she is not in the final mix intended for the Dramacydal album (before the whole song being scrapped). 
  • Samples :
04. Addicted To The Streets (Rough Mix) / Stretch (?)
  • 1994/10-11.
05. Thug Mansion (Rough Mix) / ?
  • Is there a different version from the leaked one ?
06. Runnin' (Moe-Z Remix) feat. Stretch, The Notorious B.I.G, 2Pac & Radio / Easy Mo Bee REMIXED by Moe-ZMD 
  • 1993/11 - remix 1994/08. Third version of the song, the one that will be given to One Million Strong compilation. Radio is the raggamuffin voice of the hook but he is also a rapper. Moe-ZMD produced half of his album Recognize da Real, as well for Interscope. Labelled "Radio" in the compilation and in the single version, and often available in a censored form, the song has often been mislabelled and the hook has been attributed to Prince Ital Joe either to Red Fox (by myself...).
  • Samples : 
07. Bury Me A G pt. 2 feat. 2Pac & Natasha Walker / Stretch
  • 1994/11 (~). This song re-used the beat and the chorus of the Thug Life song. Verses are different.
  • Samples : 
08. Last Laff / Tony Pizarro (?)
  • 1994/03-08. Song recorded between March and August. Nothing is known about that track.
09. Where Will I Be feat. 2Pac / Bread & Water
  • 1994/08-10. K-Dog aka Kastro talks about 95 as the next year. The re-recorded version when he talks about 96 is more famous (re-recorded on Death Row, maybe for Outlaw Immortalz project or after Pac's death).
  • Samples : 
10. Thug Life feat. 2Pac (speaking) & Killa (chorus) / Moe-Z
  • 1994/10-11.
  • Samples :
12. Introduced 2 Tha Game (Remix) / Stretch & Duane Nettlesbey (?) or Easy Mo Bee (?)
13. Killin' Fieldz (Instrumental) / Bread & Water
14. Where Will I Be (Instrumental) / Bread & Water

 

back cover of the single "So Many Tears" with a picture of the Dramacydal (Mutah, Big Malc and K-Dogg, without Young Hollywood), for the occasion of their B-Side "Hard To Imagine".














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