1995 - Young Thugz EP / Dramacyde (with Dramacydal)

  • Second half of 94 : recording sessions for Young Thugz single and EP
  • Late 94 - first half of 95 : tracks recorded for the Dramacydal album and its B-sides.
  • The first project, mainly kind of interact between Thug Life Volume 1 and a future Volume 2, was stopped after 2Pac was shot at the Quad studios.
  • The second project was shelved ready to be released circa August of 95 because 2Pac was freed from prison and had new ideas.
  • Sources : Entreprise Reference Promo (unleaked), Dramacyde Promo (unleaked)
The Thoro Headz : Big Malc, Young Hollywood, K-Dog & Tupac. 
Picture for Karl Kani.

### The first disc follows the only tracklist for a 10 tracks album (half filled) completed with known/supposed tracks from that time. The second one follows the unleaked Promo of the shelved album, with the addition of B-side tracks. ###

DISC ONE : YOUNG THUGZ EP

1. Late Night (Rough Mix) feat. 2Pac & Aunt Glo
2. Killin' Fieldz feat. 2Pac (speaking)
3. Don't Make Enemies With Me (Rough Mix) feat. 2Pac, Live Squad & Sh'Killa
4. Addicted To The Streets (Rough Mix)
5. Thug Mansion (Rough Mix) Me Against The World (Alternate Chorus) feat. 2Pac & Puff Johnson
6. Runnin' (Moe-Z Remix) feat. Stretch, The Notorious B.I.G, 2Pac & Radio
7. Last Laff
8. Retaliation Is A Must Introduced 2 Tha Game (Remix)
9. Where Will I Be ('94 Version) feat. 2Pac
10. Thug Life feat. 2Pac (speaking) & Killa
 
Bonus Tracks :
11. Killin' Fieldz (Instrumental)
12. Where Will I Be (Instrumental)
 
Producer - Live Squad (1,3,4,7,8), Easy Mo Bee (6), Bread & Water (2,9,11,12), Moe-Z (6,10), Duane Nettlesbey (8), Tony Pizarro (7), Soulshock & Karlin (5,5)
 
  • Tracks 2, 9, 11, 12 were probably supposed to be in a single, circa Sept. - Oct. '94
  • Tracks 1, 3 & 4 were about to be released in the Promo "Enterprise Reference".

DISC TWO : DRAMACYDE - Discogs page - LISTEN

1. Intro
2. Addicted 2 Tha Streets (Remix) feat. Felony
3. Late Night (Til My Dyin' Day) (Moe-Z Remix) feat. 2Pac, Aunt Glo & Kenyatta Forman - snippet
4. Thug Mansion (Gotta Get Away) feat. Killa
5. Blinded (Don't Wanna Be Broke) feat. Funky Drummer
6. Interview with a Problem Child (Revenge Is Sweet) by Mutah feat. Paul Arnold
7. Sittin' On The Top Of The World
8. No Further (Around The Way)
9. The Other Side
10. Just Like Daddy
11. Hard 2 Imagine
12. Dramacyde 
13. Make No Mistakes feat. 2Pac & Thug Life

Bonus Track
 
14. Bury Me A G pt. 2 feat. 2Pac & Natasha Walker
15. Where Will I Be ('96 Version) feat. 2Pac & Felony
16. Hard 2 Imagine (Soul Power Remix)
17. Hard 2 Imagine (Instrumental)

Producer - Stretch probably remixed by Moe-Z (2), Moe-Z (1?,3,5,6,13), Soulshock & Karlin (4,9,11,16,17), Mike Mosley (8,10,12), Stretch & Duane Nettlesbey (14), Bread & Water (15), Mopreme (7)
  • Tracks 1-13 are the unleaked Dramacyde Promo of the Dramacydal album circa end of summer 95, finally shelved by 2Pac when he left prison (at the same time than his "R U Still Down" Lost Tracks compilation project).
  • Tracks 11, 14, 16, 17 were included in Hard 2 Imagine 12'' promo (June 1995).

1994-1995. Dramacydal is Big Malcolm (Edi), Mutah (Napoleon), K-Dog (Kastro) & Young Hollywood (Kadafi). The group's name was firstly known as Thoro Headz (on "Flex", recorded in mid-92, released as a B-Side in 93, or in "Runnin'") then Young Thugz (on tracks like or "Killin' Fields", "Where Will I Be", "Thug Life" or "Enemies With Me") and changed on the "Me Against The World" tracklist.

During the time 2Pac was recording the last songs for Me Against The World / Fuck The World, his friends started to prepare their album. When 2Pac went to jail and the engineers were mixing Me Against The World, they recorded songs that sound to have a little flavor of MATW, with same singers and producers (mostly Moe-Z team but as well Mopreme).
When 2Pac signed in on Death Row, the album eventually got shelved. Some tracks are really good. Especially because 2Pac wrote a big part of their songs (what could also lead the group to not insist to release it - choosing to record their own songs)

Dramacydal & 2Pac. Picture for Karl Kani.

The album seems to have known unofficial versions under the name of Revenge iz Sweet (around 2010 - the cover picture mistakly includes Fatal). All the versions make a confusion between the two versions of "Where Will I Be" : on the tracklist, the Remix is actually the original version of the song and the other the second version re-recorded on late 95 or early 96 (maybe for "Outlaw Immortalz : Thug Life vol. 2"). "Can U Relate" is a late track recorded around One Nation time. We could have include a version of "Runnin'" instead of these later track. 



 
1. Circa Aug.-Sept. '94. This is a draft for a Young Thugz EP. Maybe "Me Against The World" is not recorded yet, but it could mean it was initially recorded for Young Thugz and it was later put in the solo album.
 
2. Circa Oct.-Nov. '94. Probably still a Young Thuz project, just before or after recording "Late Night", "Don't Make Enemies With Me", "Addicted To The Streets" with Stretch. 2Pac re-takes "Killin Fieldz", a song recorded earlier during the summer (probably for a shelved single, at the time Bread & Water produced When I Get Free/Thug Style in June or more probably in August when they remixed them). Is "Running From The Police" the Moe-Z version ?


 
 
3. 4. Circa Nov. - Dec. '94. When Young Thugz changed their name in Me Against The World tracklists. It still has the unleaked or unrecorded "Last Laff" produced by Tony Pizarro (during summer ? because he didn't produce anything after August 94).

 
 
5. 6. Circa beginning of 95 (?). In the second one, Dramacydal are now just Mutah, Bic Malc and K-Dogg. Hollywood is now in his group Fatal N Felony. "Don't Make Enemies" with Live Squad has been replaced by "Make They Jawz Tight" (which will probably turn into "Make No Mistakes", and will finally later be recorded with this title in One Nation sessions). Stretch also disappeared from "Late Night" that became produced by Moe-Z (a snippet has been recently leaked), and he is even hidden behind his real name Randy Walker...


7. Circa mid '95. Dramacyde.

Dramacydal recorded eponymous track "Dramacyde" and "Make No Mistakes" with Thug Life and vocals from Tupac (recorded in jail ? in the phone ? taken from another old song ?), maybe just for the chorus. Stretch is this time almost completely erased, appearing as the producer of "Addicted 2 The Streetz" but under his group name Live Squad.

8. Circa late summer of '95. Dramacyde Promo.

The shelved promo of the album has just a different track order than the previous tracklist. But the leaked version of "Sittin' on Top of The World" we have has no Yo-Yo featuring, and maybe "Addicted 2 The Streetz" could be a bit different than the Stretch's version. It is said "Thug Mansion" could also have an alternate chorus version...



Nice cover but it's a late picture from Made Niggaz video
Left to right : K-Dog, Mutah, Young Hollywood, Fatal & Big Malcolm




pictures in Hawai (94)


DETAILED TRACKLIST
(Special thanks to Bomb1st members Filla and Dominator for samples credits)

DISC ONE : 2PAC PRESENTS... YOUNG THUGZ EP

01. Late Night (Til My Dyin' Day) feat. 2Pac & Aunt Glo / Stretch
  • 1994/11/29. Also known as "Late Night '94". Included in Dramacydal's Refernce Entreprise Promo.
  • Samples : 
    • MC Shan - "The Bridge" (drumline modified)
    • Louche Lou & Michie One - "Rich Girl" (vocals interpolation) 
02. Killin' Fieldz feat. 2Pac (speaking) / Bread & Water
  • 1994/08-10. Thorow Headz became "Young Thugz" (with the addition of Mutah) for their first group track where 2Pac is just speaking. This song and "Where Will I Be" were probably intended to be released as a single announcing the new project following Thug Life Volume 1. 2Pac talks about Toni Braxton who began to be known in 94.
  • Samples : 
03. Don’t Make Enemies With Me feat. 2Pac, Live Squad & Sh’Killa / Live Squad
  • 1994/10-11 (~). Released in R U Still Down (1997) in a restricted mix to 2Pac & Dramacydal. Included in Dramacydal's Refernce Entreprise Promo. The song was recorded before the N.Y. shooting and was maybe remixed for Death Row (or before 2Pac was signed, for Dramacydal album), but without Live Squad's & Sh’Killa's verses. So it became a sort of accusation against his ex-friend Stretch. Sh'Killa was a female rapper, South Central Cartel's protegĂ©. Banned from Bomb1st forum says that she is not in the final mix intended for the Dramacydal album (before the whole song being scrapped). 
  • Samples :
04. Addicted To The Streets (Rough Mix) / Stretch (?)
05. Thug Mansion (Rough Mix) / ?
  • Is there a different version from the leaked one ?
06. Runnin' (Moe-Z Remix) feat. Stretch, The Notorious B.I.G, 2Pac & Radio / Easy Mo Bee REMIXED by Moe-ZMD 
  • 1993/11 - remix 1994/08. Third version of the song, the one that will be given to One Million Strong compilation. Radio is the raggamuffin voice of the hook but he is also a rapper. Moe-ZMD produced half of his album Recognize da Real, as well for Interscope. Labelled "Radio" in the compilation and in the single version, and often available in a censored form, the song has often been mislabelled and the hook has been attributed to Prince Ital Joe either to Red Fox (by myself...).
  • Samples : 
07. Last Laff / Tony Pizarro (?) 
  • 1994/03-08. Song recorded between March and August (because with Tony Pizarro). Nothing is known about that track.
08. Retaliation Is A Must / Duane Nettlesbey
  • 1994/12 (~). According to Duane, the song would have been recorded over his best beat, not a long time after 2Pac was shot, but Dramacydal could not assume the song.
08. Introduced 2 Tha Game (Remix) / Stretch & Duane Nettlesbey (?) or Easy Mo Bee (?)
  • 1993/11 - 94-2004 (new mix ?). Original included in Cradle 2 The Grave demo tape (cf. Honor Among Thugz). Remixed in Kadafi's Son Rize Vol. 1 (2004). Nothing says if this remix - with Young Ho/Kadafi rapping first - is an OG remix or if it was made only for the mixtape.
  • Samples : 
09. Where Will I Be feat. 2Pac / Bread & Water
  • 1994/08-10. K-Dog aka Kastro talks about 95 as being the next year (but this version was firstly known as the remix by mistake...). The re-recorded version when he talks about 96 is more famous. People used to think the song was recorded on Death Row, even after the death of Kadafi because he didn't put a new verse. The new version could have simple been recorded in mid 95 to replace this outdated version they like. This time they knew their album would probably been released in late 95 or even 96...
  • Samples : 
10. Thug Life feat. 2Pac (speaking) & Killa (chorus) / Moe-Z
  • 1994/10-11. Nothing is known about the song but it features the same Moe-Z than in "Throw Ya Hands Up". It was probably one of the main song of the planned project, just before Tupac got shot...
  • Samples :
11. Killin' Fieldz (Instrumental) / Bread & Water
  • 1994/08/18. Probably taken from an original shelved single Killin' Fieldz / Where Will I Be 12''.
  • Samples : 
12. Where Will I Be (Instrumental) / Bread & Water
  • 1994/08/18. Probably taken from an original shelved single Killin' Fieldz / Where Will I Be 12''.
  • Samples : 

DRAMACYDAL - DRAMACYDE

01. Intro / Moe-Z (?) UNLEAKED
  •  1995. Recorded at Moe-Z's house.
02. Addicted 2 Tha Streets (Remix) feat. Felony / Stretch & Duane Nettlesbey REMIXED by ?
  • 1994/10 (?) - 1995. Slightly cleant version in comparison of the single version (cf. Dramacydal, Enterprise reference). Probably one of the first song recorded in this album.
03. Late Night (Til My Dyin' Day) (Moe-Z Remix) feat. 2Pac / Stretch REMIXED by Moe-Z SNIPPET
  • 1994/11/29 - 1995 (?) (new mix and new verse). Also known as "Late Night '94". This version is said without Young Hollywood, with another Big Malc/Mutah verse, and with an alternate ending.
  • Samples : 
    • MC Shan - "The Bridge" (drumline modified)
    • Louche Lou & Michie One - "Rich Girl" (vocals interpolation)  
04. Thug Mansion (Gotta Get Away) feat. Puff Johnson (?) / Soulshock & Karlin
  • 1994/12 (?). The song has some 2Pac words recorded from jail through the phone as an intro. The song was firstly planned to be included in Young Thugz EP but we don't know if an earlier version has been recorded. It is also said another version could exist with a different chorus... Probably also written by 2Pac, he will re-use the topic his solo "Thugz Mansion" (cf. Me Against The World pt. 2). There was a first leaked og vibe of 2Pac's "Thugz Mansion" made by Krysis that was using the same chorus and music than this Dramacydal track. It is sometimes written Faith Evans as the singer but the voice is similar to those on Me Against The World. So it could be the Moe-Z' chorists Killa & Milia, Jasmine Guy or Puff Johnson from Soulshock & Karlin's "Me Against The World".
  • Samples : 
05. Blinded (Don't Wanna Be Broke) feat. Le-Morrious 'Funky Drummer' Tyler / Moe-Z
  • 1995/?. 2Pac helped Big Malc to write the hook. Maybe it is the evolution of the old "Don't Wanna Be A Drug Dealer" concept written in an early tracklist.
06. Interview with a Problem Child (Revenge Is Sweet) by Mutah feat. Paul Arnold (speaking) / Moe-Z
  • 1995/?. Written by 2Pac. Firstly known as "Revenge Is Sweet", what was the title for the old bootleg of the album.
07. Sittin' On Top Of The World / Mopreme & Duane Nettlesbey
  • 1995/?. The song was supposed to feature Yo-Yo but the leaked version has nothing like that. In one Thug Life Volume II tracklist, there is a "On Top of The World" remixed by Moe-Z title, intention to recycle Dramacydal material but probably never made...
  • Samples : 
    • The Commodores - "Zoom" (melody, drumline, vocals)
08. No Further (Around The Way) feat. Jasmine Guy & Kila / Mike Mosley
  • 1995/?. The actress Jasmine Guy and 2Pac met during a guest apparition he made for A Different World sitcom in 1993. She hosted him at her home after he got shot in the Quad studios and he went out of the hospital fearing for his life. It is said 2Pac wrote many songs for the Dramacydal at that time.
09. The Other Side / Soulshock & Karlin UNLEAKED
  • 1995/?.
10. Just Like Daddy / Mike Mosley
  • 1995/?.
  • Samples : 
11. Hard 2 Imagine / Soulshock & Karlin
12. Dramacyde / Mike Mosley UNLEAKED
  • 1995/?.
13. Make No Mistakes feat. Thug Life & 2Pac / Moe-Z UNLEAKED
  • 1995/?. It is said to have some lines or even a verse given by 2Pac from prison through the phone (maybe just a chorus).

BONUS TRACKS

14. Bury Me A G pt. 2 feat. 2Pac & Natasha Walker / Stretch
  • 1994/12 (~). This song re-used the beat and the chorus of the Thug Life song. Verses are all different. This new version was probably supposed to make a link between this new project and the recently released Thug Life : Volume 1. "Young Thugz" being a kind of "Thug Life 1.5" before eventually a Volume 2 (which wasn't really even thought at that time, 2Pac didn't use to come back to old tracks, he would have recorded new songs or at least remixed the old ones).
  • Samples : 
15. Where Will I Be ('96 Version) feat. 2Pac & Felony / Bread & Water REMIXED By ?
  • 1994/08 - 1995/06 (?) (new Dramacydal verses except Young Ho). 2Pac and Young Hollywood recorded their verses in August 94 for the Young Thugz EP. This second version got new verses from the other Dramacydal members. For that reason, some people say this version had been made after their death... But Dramacydal voices sound still young so I presume they re-recorded a new version in mid 95 (around the time of "Hard 2 Imagine" single, when Young Ho aka Felony was not with them but was maybe already hanging with Fatal), thinking the song and the album would be out only in '96 : "where will I be next year", so in '97.
  • Samples : 
15. Hard 2 Imagine (Soul Power Remix) / Soulshock & Karlin
  • 1995/?. Probably intended for the B-side of the first single but the A-side song was finally was released itself as a B-side of So Many Tears single (instead of the Easy Mo Bee remix featuring Stretch ?).
16. Hard 2 Imagine (Instrumental) / Soulshock & Karlin

 Mutah, Big Malc and K-Dogg, Young Hollywood was not in the group at that time.
back cover of the single "So Many Tears" with a picture of Dramacydal
at the occasion of their B-Side to "Hard To Imagine".

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